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i don't see why they couldn't have the current ranges and a 'traditional' left/right locator that just sits where it's told - it's just a simple thing us Cubasers like.

And Tobben, woah there! i wasn't suggesting getting rid of any Samplitude features, jeez i only just got here, that would be rude. Adding a couple of very simple features that YOU don't have to use but would make the transition for us Cubasers easier though :lol: .

Oh, I didn't read your post as a suggestion to get rid of anything. ;)

And I fully understand that you miss some familiar features that

you're used to from the workflow in SX.

What I'm trying to say is that I know from personal experience that

it's easy to think that this could be solved by removing the cursor

and range dependancy. It would solve the "range is inactive when

setting a new start point" issue, but it would break far more than it

really solves IMO.

Just throwing out some thoughts here:

Try thinking of a range as left/right locators. It's very much the

same thing as it defines an area to play once or play in loop...

-You click within a range and drag to expand or contract. Just as

easy as moving the left and right locators - and you're not limited

to the timeline.

-Drawing a new range is faster than moving both locators.

-Hold Shift and move the range in one step. Also faster than

moving both locators - and you keep the current range length.

(Shift is also for adding to a range by clicking outside the range)

-Flip range left/right commands which is very handy if you (loop)

record in sections step by step.

-The "Range over all selected objects" command is handy in many

situations, also if you should need to re-record a part later on.

-Range recall history with the last 5 ranges is useful when you find

the need to go back and recall a certain range (that you may forgot

to store)

-You *never* need to stop playback for any range operation.

A couple of other range tips:

-Doubleclick the upper part of the timeline to range between two

markers

-Doubleclick the lower part of the timeline to toggle range between

active track, all tracks and no tracks.

-Ranges are also selections. Draw a range over any number of

tracks to export or bounce that spesific section.

-Expand ranges vertically by clicking within the range and drag

upwards or downwards.

As for the lost range after setting a new play start point:

The range is never lost, it's inactivated and it needs to be recalled

by a hotkey (or doubleclicking the range in the timeline which is

the hard way). Now..unless I'm missing something this is usually

no harder to fix than it is with locators (with one exception).

Any program needs different instructions to separate between

playback using the locators and when the locators should be

ignored. In Samp you press a shortcut to recall the range and it

can't be faster than that as far as I can see. Anyone feel free to

correct me should I miss something...that's totally fine. :blink:

The exception:

This is when you have an active range/loop and place the cursor

*inside* the range. This would require a recall step that AFAIK isn't

necessary when using locators. However, this can never work

when cursor is tied to the range start, and therefore a separate

playback mode is required to get it all and not break anything.

There's only one way I could imagine using locators with the

current scheme:

I believe it should be possible if Samp automatically created a

range inside the locators and started playback based on that range.

That would be similar to the approach that Samp uses for playing

selected object(s) in solo (Ctrl + Spacebar).

This wouldn't be more efficient for realtime operations as there's

only one command to automatically recall last range in realtime.

It would save one step if you set a new start point and then stop

playback though...

It wouldn't make any difference to playback starting within a range

either, unless the range is automatically re-created for looping

when the cursor hits the right locator.

Lastly, the range is still not separated from the cursor, and it's only

specualations as I don't know which obstacles there are code-wise...

Regards,

Tobben

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You see, you just confused the hell out of me with that expanation ;) . Generally i'm very lazy and never bothered with hotkeys in Cubase - sounds a great idea except that i know i'd just forget what hotkeys i'd set-up (memory of a goldfish). All that stuff sounded far more complicated that than locators: left click, right click, hit loop - that's all i want (and it doesn't disappear - recalling ranges that really sounds like a faff to me). It took you a paragraph to describe what i want to do - took me three words. OK ranges do a lot more but right now i don't need that.

i realise it's a different program and there are obviously going to be different ways of doing things - s'pose i'll just have to get used to it. Still trying demo at the moment - i wanted to try as much as possible not to read the manual to see how intuitive it is and managed to setup all my ASIOs with Scope, MIDI in out, record audio, use VSTis etc. i managed all that without the manual, but looping (which is the basic sequencing feature) i couldn't get going without looking it up.

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You see, you just confused the hell out of me with that expanation ;) . Generally i'm very lazy and never bothered with hotkeys in Cubase - sounds a great idea except that i know i'd just forget what hotkeys i'd set-up (memory of a goldfish). All that stuff sounded far more complicated that than locators: left click, right click, hit loop - that's all i want (and it doesn't disappear - recalling ranges that really sounds like a faff to me). It took you a paragraph to describe what i want to do - took me three words. OK ranges do a lot more but right now i don't need that.

i realise it's a different program and there are obviously going to be different ways of doing things - s'pose i'll just have to get used to it. Still trying demo at the moment - i wanted to try as much as possible not to read the manual to see how intuitive it is and managed to setup all my ASIOs with Scope, MIDI in out, record audio, use VSTis etc. i managed all that without the manual, but looping (which is the basic sequencing feature) i couldn't get going without looking it up.

Arkadin.. i feel you pain :blink: Theres no way of simply keeping a range active once youve changed the cursors position or clicked in the arrange page somewere. But i do recall some talk from the Dev. about implimenting this as an option some point..but.. to get over it in the mean time.. like Tobben suggested, just make a Keycommand in "Y" for "activate last range' and you`ll never really loose it or you can click on it to bring it back.

At the same time .. Tobben is right.. theres so much more you can do with ranges in Samp.. and you may find some new ones for your workflow that you didn`t expect originally. Its very flexible.

Hope your enjoying Samp. Best, Rich

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You see, you just confused the hell out of me with that expanation ;) .

:blink:

Most of that were just tips for those who might want

to dig a little deeper.

All that stuff sounded far more complicated that than locators: left click, right click, hit loop - that's all i want (and it doesn't disappear - recalling ranges that really sounds like a faff to me). It took you a paragraph to describe what i want to do - took me three words. OK ranges do a lot more but right now i don't need that.

Ok, here's the easy way in loop mode:

Draw a range and hit play.

That's two steps vs three. :lol:

And when you're in playback you can skip the play step as

Samp *always* loop ranges automatically in loop mode.

That is one step for what you want to do...

I might add that I mostly use loop mode myself so there's no

"conflict of interests" here. It's just way faster to draw a range

in the track you're working on and have it looping instantly.

Regards,

Tobben

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Yes once you get the hang of it Samps loop/range mode is pretty flexible it's probably more like the Logic method rather than the Cubase L/R locators . I remember when I switched from Cubase to Logic in 1994 it took me awhile to adjust . I even recall that I couldn't use Logic in a semi darkened room as well as Cubase :blink:;)

Regards

Kraznet

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