perri meracelli Report post Posted December 14, 2017 Hi I have been usingSONAR from cakewalk for almost 20 years. I am migrating, but cannot find a DAW with this feature !? .: To record a layer, or overdub on an existing audio track, with audio in it. And same time be able to listen to the previous recorded audio as I record now on top . This as a VERY handy feature, and I am very surprised that no other DAWs have this, I sthis afeature in one fo magix DAWs ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gunmetal Report post Posted December 14, 2017 From the manual... Mix Input and Playback: If you set the check here, the input signal can also be heard when playback is running if track monitoring is active. The monitoring settings and switch behavior can be set in "System Options > Audio System" and can also be accessed directly by right-clicking on the "Mon" button. This displays two more MIDI recording options: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gunmetal Report post Posted December 14, 2017 I’m assuming you are referring to the monitoring behavior of the track as you record punch-ins and your track has the monitor button active. It’s not clear from your description if you are “punching-in” your layer/overdub or intending to keep (and hear) both layers/takes after the take. It’s also not clear if your are monitoring through the software or monitoring your hardware directly. Each track can only play back one object at a time at any poInt in the timeline. You can keep overdubbing in the same track and all takes will be recorded and saved. You can select which take you want to use later with the Take Manager, the Take Composer, or by right/clicking and manually selecting which take. If, on the other hand, you are looking for another “layer” of sound I would consider that another track. In that case, just move your first recorded object to a different track. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
perri meracelli Report post Posted December 14, 2017 ok, I see from what you write that this is probably not possible. All MIDI recording track in almost all DAW I tried , of course have this feature. . . I see this "punch in", and a lot other is talking about. Yes its a punchin feature in SONAR too, but when you have record overdub, in the same track, you can overlap, where you want, and that is, of course very conveinient in many take.-situations . Just imagine you want to dub the Powerchord, just befor the chorus, set cursor, 2 bara in front, puch record, an you hear the guitar that you already recorded . Also adding some extra leyers in backing vocal track tracks. I use it all time in vocal in guitar . NOdeen to set up an extra track, and have to deal with ever more tracks! they fill up the screeen quicky as it is . I saw that Presonus and Adobe can overdub tracks but they can not listen to original ; meaning, when you hit "rec" the track you record on mutes, but when playback , you hear both "layers" / overlapping audio .:) I must say, I am really, really shocked !!:) I thougt, obviously in 2017, that all DAW have this feature . It helps the workflow enormously : So Gunmetal, you are sure this feature si like you describe in the Magix Sequoia ? ok, tahanks for you time and help. I gusee theres a lot of migrating SONAR-folks out there asking for this now regards, I am per merakerli, from Norway . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gunmetal Report post Posted December 15, 2017 Greetings! Are you talking about MIDI recording? Overdub mode in MIDI recording seems more like what you are searching for... *** (from the manual) Overdub: The data is recorded into an already existing object. The newly recorded MIDI data is mixed together with the data that is already present. *** It’s been a long time since I have used Sonar. Are the overdub takes just overlayed on top of one another? How do you get to them to edit? With Samplitude you can record in MIDI overdub mode to build up beats in loop mode or to punch into the same object. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
35mm Report post Posted December 15, 2017 Perri, are you talking about layers? Like recording over content already on a track without wiping that content so the original content remains but is covered by the new content? I saw your post in the Cakewalk forum too and I am not sure anyone really knows what you mean exactly. It might help if you describe not the feature but what you aim to achieve with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gunmetal Report post Posted December 15, 2017 OK, I read up on Sonars take lanes and I think I understand what you are meaning. Every DAW has a different feature set and there’s not a direct equivalent here. In Samplitde, you will want to look at “exploding” your takes with the Take Composer and exploring the tools for that feature. And you can create similar workflows by using Track Folders or just using multiple tracks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
35mm Report post Posted December 15, 2017 23 minutes ago, gunmetal said: OK, I read up on Sonars take lanes and I think I understand what you are meaning. Every DAW has a different feature set and there’s not a direct equivalent here. In Samplitde, you will want to look at “exploding” your takes with the Take Composer and exploring the tools for that feature. And you can create similar workflows by using Track Folders or just using multiple tracks. I don't think he means take lanes or monitoring hence my previous reply. In Sonar you could record over existing content on a track and have that existing content remain under the new content on the same track. I'm guessing he might mean that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kraznet Report post Posted December 15, 2017 14 minutes ago, 35mm said: I don't think he means take lanes or monitoring hence my previous reply. In Sonar you could record over existing content on a track and have that existing content remain under the new content on the same track. I'm guessing he might mean that. Yes I think this is called Sound on Sound in Sonar? I might add it as a feature request in the beta forum. Regards, Kraznet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
35mm Report post Posted December 15, 2017 I have a feeling what the OP is talking about is indeed sound on sound but with the ability to hear the original sound as you record over the top of it. There are, I think, better ways of doing it depending on what you want to achieve. For example, just dragging a recording to a different track and playing along to it. I never really used the feature in Sonar and having sound files stuck and hidden underneath others used to annoy me. I think the answer to the OP is probably no (unless I am mistaken), but there are plenty of other and possibly better ways of doing it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kraznet Report post Posted December 15, 2017 Just now, 35mm said: I have a feeling what the OP is talking about is indeed sound on sound but with the ability to hear the original sound as you record over the top of it. There are, I think, better ways of doing it depending on what you want to achieve. For example, just dragging a recording to a different track and playing along to it. I never really used the feature in Sonar and having sound files stuck and hidden underneath others used to annoy me. I think the answer to the OP is probably no (unless I am mistaken), but there are plenty of other and possibly better ways of doing it. Yes that's the way I do it I just record on another track while listening to their previous track above. Regards, Kraznet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
35mm Report post Posted December 15, 2017 I will add also that as I discovered last night with help from Kraznet, Samp is basically doing something very similar, but you can not see the underlying clips. The Ctrl + right click shows them up as takes by default which is very useful. But I don't think you can hear a previous take as you record over it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szilard Report post Posted December 15, 2017 New Samplitude user here (Sonar refugee). I suspect he's looking for the behavior of a looper. I use loopers or Live to sketch out ideas. Sound on sound recording with midi behaves this way in Sonar, but not audio. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Larry Jones Report post Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) On 12/15/2017 at 6:28 AM, Kraznet said: Yes that's the way I do it I just record on another track while listening to their previous track above. Regards, Kraznet As a long time SONAR user and non-keyboard player, I use the sound-on-sound record mode all the time. It's especially useful with MIDI drum tracks. I can add the kick or high hat separately if I want, or throw in a fill or crash cymbal on already-recorded drums. I have played the "left hand" and the "right hand" both with my right hand on a MIDI piano track (I'm not a proficient keyboard player). I don't end up with a mess of separate tracks to manage and when I get what I want I just bounce the track with all the SoS overdubs down to a single clip. Kraznet, I encourage you to make this a feature request: Allow the user to add data to an already-recorded MIDI track while listening to existing data. (Although I thought I saw you do exactly that in one of your "getting started" videos when you were making a drum loop, so WTH?) Edited December 16, 2017 by Larry Jones clarity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kraznet Report post Posted December 16, 2017 Hi Larry, Yes of course you can do "sound on sound" when recording MIDI in Samplitude. You just need to switch on "Overdub" mode from the transport. Unlike Sonar the midi will be merged with existing clip while cycle recording. I have definitely done videos about this Regards, Kraznet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Larry Jones Report post Posted December 16, 2017 13 hours ago, Kraznet said: Hi Larry, Yes of course you can do "sound on sound" when recording MIDI in Samplitude. You just need to switch on "Overdub" mode from the transport. Unlike Sonar the midi will be merged with existing clip while cycle recording. I have definitely done videos about this Regards, Kraznet Thanks, Kraznet. I see that now. I didn't notice the original poster wanted to do this with audio, not MIDI. For my purposes this implementation is better than SONAR's, because it removes the extra step of bouncing the clips down, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kraznet Report post Posted December 16, 2017 Yes the implementation is better in Samplitude. The few times I tested Sonar I couldn't get my head around the fact that there was no auto merge of midi. Regards, Kraznet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Acky Report post Posted December 30, 2017 On 15/12/2017 at 2:15 PM, Kraznet said: Yes I think this is called Sound on Sound in Sonar? I might add it as a feature request in the beta forum. That would be very helpful if you could request this feature. It's very much part of my workflow while recording audio. I find when using this method at the recording stage, it keeps the track count down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geo524 Report post Posted December 30, 2017 On 12/15/2017 at 9:15 AM, Kraznet said: Yes I think this is called Sound on Sound in Sonar? I might add it as a feature request in the beta forum. Regards, Kraznet S Hi Kraznet, SOS is very much a part of my workflow as well. I would definitely like to see this feature added to Samplitude. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites